Sword safety question

topic posted Tue, April 15, 2008 - 7:37 AM by  Kristin
Hi there!

I am new to sword dancing and I was hoping to get some advice.

Are the swords you dance with sharp or dull? If they are sharp, do you dull your swords or put a gaurd on them when practicing?

I ask because me and my troupemate are practicing for a sword duet. A few weeks ago, I was practicing, the sword fell off and I went to catch it. I did catch it...with the palm of my hand on the tip of the blade. Last night she cut her hand pretty bad and had to get 8 stitches :o(

Are we just being careless or is this common?

Any tips for sword safety would be greatly appreciated?

Thanks a bunch!
posted by:
Kristin
Georgia
  • Re: Sword safety question

    Tue, April 15, 2008 - 7:39 AM
    Our troupe ABSOLUTELY dances with dull swords. I don't know anyone who uses sharp ones... also, are they well balanced?
    • Re: Sword safety question

      Tue, April 15, 2008 - 7:43 AM
      It is balanced and I love it here is a link to it :o)

      www.cultofathena.com/product...itar.htm
      • Re: Sword safety question

        Tue, April 15, 2008 - 1:50 PM
        Hi Kristin!

        Sword Safety is a really important topic! Romka covers it in all of our sword workshops and I know Belladonna also covers it in her sword instructional DVD.

        Whether or not to dull your sword blade is a very personal question.

        Ultimately, dulling a sword's blade is safer for you, your audience and your dance partners. I know other well known sword dancers & teachers that unequivocally recommend that you dull a blade before using it for dancing.

        That being said, both Belladonna and I made personal decisions, (in fact, even before we met each other & started dancing together) that we were not going to dull our scimitars, as the sharpness of that particular sword was part of it's beauty and our relationship with this particular "prop" (or, weapon) that we were dancing with. The fact that it *was* a real weapon was part of why we danced with it -- and our dancing with that particular sword is informed by it's style and sharpness.

        I personally don't believe there is a right or wrong answer...but it is a very important and very personal question to be taken seriously and decided upon for yourself, and for your audience and dancer partners. After all, you're not just putting yourself at risk but others too.

        Both Belladonna & I have also have non-sharp swords (different styles from our cas iberias) that we have used (although mostly for our solo items) when we feel that they are more appropriate. Our choice on dull vs. sharp often depends on what we're doing, the mood of the piece, and the audience. -- The audience being important -- since there are safety concerns to worry about.

        And, as is true in most things - bigger is not always "better" : ) -- for example, the Shisha Lounge that Belladonna, Asharah & I performed at was so small that neither Belladonna nor I could perform with a sword in that venue because it was too small and we most surely would have poked someone's eye out!

        I'm so sorry that someone cut themselves while practicing! That totally sucks! Once, I remember a member of Martiya Possession getting her (dull, but pointy) dance sword stuck into her foot when it fell off while she was dancing!! If you are going to practice with a sharp sword - it's important to know and school yourself on how to catch it safely or what to do if it falls off. I've nipped my fingers a few times myself carelessly trying to re-balace or catch a sword falling off my head.

        it's a hazard and all the more reason why I think everyone should at least consider and articulate to themselves why they're making a decision, sharp vs. non-sharp -- or at least those new to balancing consider non-sharp blades as a first tool. Then move up to the sharp blades if you really feel that is neccessary for your dancing.

        How you handle your sword -- for example having the audience *think* the sword is sharp, -- i.e. never grabbing your blade...etc....regardless of whether or not it really is, is MUCH more important than whether or not your sword is 'actually' sharp.

        my .02 - my personal thoughts only...your mileage may vary and i really encourage everyone to make these decisions for themselves under the guidance of a teacher.

        Mavi
  • Head coverings:

    Tue, April 15, 2008 - 2:32 PM
    I wanted to add to this that I have met a few dancers that want to learn sword, but refuse to wear any kind of head band... then they wonder why their swords keep falling off!

    Some people can balance a sword without a head covering but most people really need that head covering to keep the sword from slipping off so easily - not to mention it's just more comfortable esp. when dancing with a heavy sword.

    Sooooo Warrior Bellydancers if your sword keeps falling off easily and you are not wearing a head covering - such a scarf, turban or special head piece - that might be part of your problem with keeping the sword on your head.
  • Re: Sword safety question

    Tue, April 15, 2008 - 4:51 PM
    Hi Kristin,

    I dance with a dulled Cas Iberia. I knew that if I didn't dull my Cas, I would have lost a finger while learning how to use it. I am extremely nearsighted and that throws off my depth perception. Although I perform with contact lenses in, I wear glasses most of the time and my peripheral vision is really nil.

    That being said, I've learned how to work with my limitations.

    About headband vs. no headband, I've tried various cloth headbands, scarves, elasticized, non-elasticized ... the result is always the same: a gradual creepage to the back of the head or slippage. No way do I want a sword on there!

    I have never had the Cas fall off, but I have learned that if I am to perform with my sword, I should not use super softening and silkening conditioner in my hair that day! Dove hairspray texturizes my hair so the sword will stay very nicely without a headband. You, however, may find a headband to be necessary!

    Christiane
    • Re: Sword safety question

      Tue, April 15, 2008 - 9:19 PM
      Thanks for all the conversation! This is great!

      Actually, i too find that balance vs. not-balance has more to do with the state of my hair than using any kind of head-wrap. I think head wraps of some kind do help with balancing but are not neccessary -- it's all about practice, practice, practice and learning about your head, your body and your sword.

      Although, to be fair I probably did use a head wrap for the majority of my performances the first year or so I performed with my sword and I do so sometimes in rehearsal while practicing particularly dangerous or tricky moves while balancing.
  • Re: Sword safety question

    Fri, April 18, 2008 - 10:53 AM
    Yes, thanks for all the great advice, (I'm the other troupemate that got 8 stiches to the right hand). As I type this, I am having it dulled. Should have gotten a clue when it happened to Kristin. I consider myself lucky to just have deep cut in my hand, could have been much worse. Can't wait for the workshop at Spirit. Really getting excited and ready to learn :o)
    • Re: Sword safety question

      Fri, April 18, 2008 - 5:50 PM
      Belladonna & I were talking about this the other day and she had a good point:

      If you're careful with how you dull your sword (especially if it's a decent quality sword) I shouldn't be hard to get an edge put back on it should you ever choose to do so.
    • Re: Sword safety question

      Mon, April 21, 2008 - 5:51 PM
      I hope your hand is doing much better!

      I'm new to sword dance, just started in January. I dance with a dull Baladay sword from Kult of Athena. It's similar in shape to the CAS Iberia but smaller. I do intend to one day get a CAS Iberia and maintain it's sharpness for stage performance. I would always keep the Baladay around for restaurant/close-quarters performances where you could easily have someone interfering with the sword dance (like a kid running up to give you a tip while dancing). I'd also hang onto it in case I did a duet with someone who wasn't comfortable having a sharp sword near them.

      I do lose balance with my sword although considerable practice has drastically reduced the number of times I've lost control and had to grab it by the blade, so I just feel safer with a dull sword, which I consider my "starter" sword.

      Mavi's definitely the expert over me but I'll still second her "practice, practice, practice" statement. I started with headpieces and have discontinued use because practice has gotten me to where I can maintain balance without it. I do apply beeswax to the balancing edge of the blade to help keep it on my hair and will opt against washing my hair that morning, which helps.

      And workshops with Romka rock. I took one at Gothla and it was really great!
  • Re: Sword safety question

    Sat, April 19, 2008 - 7:34 AM
    I did have it dulled by a mechanic that works with airplane body work and jet engines. It is still somewhat questionable if it would do some damage if dropped on me again, but I don't think it will cut me now. He did a really good job and believe it could be sharp again if I choose to do so later on, way later on :o)
    • Re: Sword safety question

      Sat, April 19, 2008 - 9:04 AM
      Smart!

      well, like any prop, a sword, with it's size and weight can do some damage. It's part of the allure and the pay-off!

      oh, but so worth it!

      Now! who's going to balance a jet engine?